Fair enough.

Like, uh, very recently I was reading Wittgenstein's journals, a great philosopher.

I'm, I could not deliver a lecture on Wittgenstein.

I have not officially studied, but like a lot of poets that I know, we certainly will flip open and read a little bit.

Uh, you know, it's sort of poetry philosophy, um, not, not, uh, not straight capital P philosophy.

But, you know, studied, studied English literature, uh, got an MFA in creative writing, and, and I've just been, uh, parts of lots of literary and, and art communities along the way.

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Uh, you know, a, a, um, a relative of mine was, was running a, an event in Durham, um, uh, like a festival event.