So again, you talked a little bit about it at the start of this conversation, but what did a finance leader bring to the table that maybe other cybersecurity leaders aren't seeing, they aren't picking up on?

I think, you know, what i've always said is you know numbers tell you what happened relationships tells you why and regardless if you're in finance or in uh cyber security that's always the case i think um One of the things, and I still talk to people about this today, is that people who work in cyber tend to be very technical.

They tend to be very focused.

They think about, you know, they're very binary in terms of it's this or that, the ones and zeros.

And a lot of times we, as folks who work in cyber, we see things from a very siloed perspective, a very narrow perspective.

There's a risk.

Let's fix the risk and move on.

What routines have you helped protect in the office?