But before we get into that, and that's what we're going to really get into today, before we get into that, please tell my listeners a bit about yourself and how you got to being an expert on systems and systems thinking and developing what you call SysIQ.

Okay.

Thanks, Jerry.

So without boring too much here, I think the history of this makes some sense.

So when I was in college, I was getting a combined degree in mathematics, applied mathematics, and social systems.

And in particular, I was interested in international relations.

When I found out and discovered this concept of groupthink, and how we had a group of individuals in the government here who could be thought of as some of the smartest in the world would actually create the Bay of Pigs fiasco, which we have here.

So off you go.