but then a lot of what you guys do is sound work you hear sounds you hear and you know people often say i heard kids running down the hall every night we hear footsteps or that kind of thing so what is it is the sound always accompanied by a figure is the figure always accompanied by a sound i mean how do you know if you're hearing something or if you're going to see something

You never know, really.

And, you know, I think Hollywood has done a great job of sensationalizing things.

You know, you watch a movie or even a lot of the shows today.

I mean, you're catching, you know, a brief, like maybe 20 minutes of an investigation with a television show.

And they filmed for a week, maybe two.

And a lot of times it's very rare that you'll see something.

trapped here and they weren't able to go to an afterlife how do you deal with that and what's your i guess what's your estimation of of what is occurring here with these i i don't know if you'd even call them souls or just