Yeah.

I think, um, from a, uh, I, I come from a similar background.

I'm a, I started as an electrician, uh, industrial.

Uh, I was doing lighting systems in public spaces on anything from, uh, road tunnels, and prisons, and nuclear power stations, all sorts of diverse commercial environments.

And I was kind of obsessed with ev- how everything works.

That was my, my, you know, my, my lead in factor.

I got into the integrator sector in the late '90s and got right into lighting control almost immediately.

Yeah.