W- w- what, what do you, what do you make of that?

Because there's unfinished business, Dr. Judith.

There's unfinished business, especially in this American story.

We have never grappled with the harsh reality of our history and the truth of what drives a lot of our society and culture today.

We live in a caste system, right? And someone might be saying, "What is a caste?" If you think about it, there is this written and unwritten hierarchy around which souls, which lives, which populations are more deserving of ac- access, which populations are more deserving of collective benefits.

And unfortunately, what we see, and, and my heart truly goes out to Professor Jason's family because the persecution, and like you said, I don't know the very specifics of his situation, but I can just speak to my own situation.

I can speak to what the data says about the glass cliff syndrome that Black women and other women from historically marginalized groups face.

What do you see in terms of the future of spirituality in medicine?

Do we know what's going on?

Yeah.

There is a almost total collapse in the public health infrastructure in the United States.

If you look at 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, we had no confirmed measles deaths in the United States.

In 2025, we had three confirmed deaths, and now already in 2026 we have three confirmed deaths.

But you're seeing, unfortunately, a disagreement, which is rooted in the political determinants of health.

Meaning that political actors, political decisions, and policy actions are impacting how people receive health, and in particular, public health information.

CDC workers can obviously still be helpful in these situations, no?

So tell me what they're gonna be looking for.

Definitely.

First and foremost, I want to reassure the public.

Hantavirus is not COVID.

Hantavirus does not spread easily or does not spread efficiently.

Um, what we saw in COVID was a type of a viral infection that was aerosolized or airborne and spread from human to human, regardless if the person who was infected with the COVID was displaying any symptoms.

That's not the case with hantavirus, okay? So first and foremost, let's start there.

What's your message to those people who feel that way in part 'cause they don't trust public health officials, or their trust was shaken during the COVID pandemic?