... subsequently, when did you surrender to it?

Yeah.

So it, it was, uh, right around the time we started foster care and adoption.

So the, the school we were at, Gardner-Webb, the head basketball coach and his wife were involved with foster care.

And my wife was tremendously involved with it.

I was traveling.

I was always like, "You know, I don't have enough time," even though he was kind of doing it and they didn't have that excuse.

... specific things that, that you carried right over?