W- w- where do you get that from? Like, how do you take the energy and just twist it around and crunch that and be like, "Okay, I will show you"?

Uh, I think that's just the fight in me.

I, I think, you're a f- I'm the middle child.

I'm the middle.

I have an older brother and a younger brother, so I think any middle child is always, uh, you know, fighting against the older brother but making sure the younger brother is kept in line.

You know? So it's an awkward position to be in.

So I think naturally I was ADD and a fighter, but I, I've always been a person that likes to prove people wrong.

Well, talking about retirement, I feel like you have transitioned to do things in the sport, and every now and then I shoot you a message when I see you on some other grand stage, and I'm like, "How on earth did you now end up getting into this league and playing here and there?" Are you able to take, I'm assuming a slightly toned down version, but something of that aggression, something of that proving people wrong into the boardrooms that you now enter?