Do you guys see yourself in that, that you, you need to get money to stay where I, where I am?

N-no. Um, but I do agree with the majority of what was said there.

There are inefficiencies, there are coordination concerns, but I think if we go back to the what's gone wrong, I think we're failing to have the real nuanced conversation about the complexity of what it is to deliver humanitarian assistance.

Often it's, it's reduced to sort of the big NGOs or localization, uh, donor-driven, privately funded, that, that sort of thing.

And these binary conversations will mean, if we stick to these binary conversations, will mean we'll be back here in 10 years' time.

I think what's often missed, for example, is whether it's local or international aid, to be able to be rooted in a community, for example, takes time, it takes discussion, takes investment, takes an understanding of the culture, which absolutely sometimes there's problems with that.

And when we're looking at the numbers, it's often that sort of nuance that doesn't come through.

Yeah.