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Chris Koopman

Chris Koopman

CEO and co-founder of the Abundance Institute, a technology policy nonprofit focused on AI and innovation.

Oct 27, 2026

21:39
Okay, fine.
21:40
I think – and here's how I'll put it.
21:42
I think that you have – you have sort of three, I would say like three distinct groups of people who have all converged on this issue.
21:53
In the one group, you have sort of, let's call them like traditional enviro groups that are worried about Resource use, worried about increasing energy consumption.
22:06
They're worried about the impacts on the environment.
22:09
They have always been worried about data centers.
22:12
Like that's very, very, very clear to me.

18 MINS LATER

40:31
Interesting.
7:34
What is your suggestion for how to properly calibrate response to potential risks with also incorporating the benefits of AI? How do I take this stuff seriously when needed without losing our minds? What's the right balance?
7:48
Yeah.
7:48
So I would say at the highest level, right? Like how do we respond in policy, but how do we respond as people, right? Who hear these things and as individuals, I would say we should take these incidents seriously, but take the forecasts lightly, right? These incidents have occurred.
8:04
They've occurred in real time.
8:06
There are logs of them having occurred, but the forecasts were being given about where that takes us next.
8:12
There's a clear track record there and they're consistently overblown and they're wrong.
8:16
So back up three years.

21 MINS LATER

29:06
Is our AI data center going to make our energy infrastructure worse or better? What's your take on that?

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