So what's your thing? Give us a bit of an overview of why you love what you do and why you're so good in a courtroom that you would be able to spend over 100 days on a court case defending someone on something like that.

Yeah.

Thanks, Melinda.

Well, what I do, and going to court is part of what I do, but what I do is manage commercial disputes and commercial risk for clients.

Now, most of my clients are litigation shy.

They are not in litigation because they're in the business of litigation.

For example, a bank will litigate because it's part of its business.

So when you're in that mediation, and I know you approach the entire case with, all right, how do we settle this? Is it because the costs involved of people taking things to court? Is that what's shaped your thinking or that what shapes your thinking is really a belief that somewhere in this mess, there's a human element that maybe we can resolve? What do you think in you it is? Which one of those?