That would be up to the government or governments to nail down exactly how they choose to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometre rate.

And the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles do more damage, including SUVs versus compact cars.

The law of the physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists.

So is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on? Or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

That would be up to the government or governments to, to nail down exactly how they choose to, to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometer rate, and the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles, uh, do more damage, including, you know, SUVs versus compact cars.

The laws of physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that, uh, heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists, and there's been a big trend in Australia to increase the size of our vehicles.

It's also a bit worrying that EV manufacturers are getting more range out of their vehicles by putting just bigger and bigger batteries in it.

So i- is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on, or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

And so that could be distance-based, could be a, a number of factors, that would be up to the government or governments to, to nail down exactly how they choose to, to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometer rate, and the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles, uh, do more damage, including, you know, SUVs versus compact cars.

The laws of physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that, uh, heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists, and there's been a big trend in Australia to increase the size of our vehicles.

It's also a bit worrying that EV manufacturers are getting more range out of their vehicles by putting just bigger and bigger batteries in it.

So i- is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on, or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

That would be up to the government or governments to, to nail down exactly how they choose to, to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometer rate, and the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles, uh, do more damage, including, you know, SUVs versus compact cars.

The laws of physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that, uh, heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists, and there's been a big trend in Australia to increase the size of our vehicles.

It's also a bit worrying that EV manufacturers are getting more range out of their vehicles by putting just bigger and bigger batteries in it.

So i- is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on, or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

That would be up to the government or governments to nail down exactly how they choose to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometre rate.

And the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles do more damage, including SUVs versus compact cars.

The law of the physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists.

So is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on? Or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

That would be up to the government or governments to, to nail down exactly how they choose to, to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometer rate, and the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles, uh, do more damage, including, you know, SUVs versus compact cars.

The laws of physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that, uh, heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists, and there's been a big trend in Australia to increase the size of our vehicles.

It's also a bit worrying that EV manufacturers are getting more range out of their vehicles by putting just bigger and bigger batteries in it.

So i- is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on, or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

That would be up to the government or governments to, to nail down exactly how they choose to, to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometer rate, and the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles, uh, do more damage, including, you know, SUVs versus compact cars.

The laws of physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that, uh, heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists, and there's been a big trend in Australia to increase the size of our vehicles.

It's also a bit worrying that EV manufacturers are getting more range out of their vehicles by putting just bigger and bigger batteries in it.

So i- is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on, or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

That would be up to the government or governments to, to nail down exactly how they choose to, to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometer rate, and the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles, uh, do more damage, including, you know, SUVs versus compact cars.

The laws of physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that, uh, heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists, and there's been a big trend in Australia to increase the size of our vehicles.

It's also a bit worrying that EV manufacturers are getting more range out of their vehicles by putting just bigger and bigger batteries in it.

So i- is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on, or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

That would be up to the government or governments to, to nail down exactly how they choose to, to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometer rate, and the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles, uh, do more damage, including, you know, SUVs versus compact cars.

The laws of physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that, uh, heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists, and there's been a big trend in Australia to increase the size of our vehicles.

It's also a bit worrying that EV manufacturers are getting more range out of their vehicles by putting just bigger and bigger batteries in it.

So i- is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on, or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

That would be up to the government or governments to nail down exactly how they choose to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometre rate.

And the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles do more damage, including SUVs versus compact cars.

The law of the physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists.

So is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on? Or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

That would be up to the government or governments to, to nail down exactly how they choose to, to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometer rate, and the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles, uh, do more damage, including, you know, SUVs versus compact cars.

The laws of physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that, uh, heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists, and there's been a big trend in Australia to increase the size of our vehicles.

It's also a bit worrying that EV manufacturers are getting more range out of their vehicles by putting just bigger and bigger batteries in it.

So i- is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on, or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

And so that could be distance-based, could be a, a number of factors, that would be up to the government or governments to, to nail down exactly how they choose to, to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometer rate, and the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles, uh, do more damage, including, you know, SUVs versus compact cars.

The laws of physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that, uh, heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists, and there's been a big trend in Australia to increase the size of our vehicles.

It's also a bit worrying that EV manufacturers are getting more range out of their vehicles by putting just bigger and bigger batteries in it.

So i- is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on, or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

That would be up to the government or governments to nail down exactly how they choose to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometre rate.

And the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles do more damage, including SUVs versus compact cars.

The law of the physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists.

So is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on? Or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

That would be up to the government or governments to, to nail down exactly how they choose to, to impose those charges?

Yeah, yeah.

So the easiest way to do it is a flat per kilometer rate, and the AEVA has made it clear that we don't like that model because it doesn't factor in the mass of the vehicle.

We know that heavier vehicles, uh, do more damage, including, you know, SUVs versus compact cars.

The laws of physics don't change at that end of the scale.

But what we do know is that, uh, heavier vehicles are more dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists, and there's been a big trend in Australia to increase the size of our vehicles.

It's also a bit worrying that EV manufacturers are getting more range out of their vehicles by putting just bigger and bigger batteries in it.

So i- is this something that we need all of the states and territories as well as the federal government to act on, or is this something that the federal government can push from the top and then have that discussion later?

How come?

Well, the federal government obviously collects about $25 billion a year from fuel excise.

They then hand about $10 billion of that back as fuel tax credits.

The difference is what we call net fuel excise revenue, and that just goes into consolidated revenue, which gets spent on all sorts of things, including roads.

So they're probably not of a mind to get rid of that because it's a convenient source of revenue.

I mean, that's very harsh on me, isn't

it? Yeah, which is why we're suggesting that if you are going to have a road user charge, it really does need to be universal to address the road use aspect of motoring.

And we see no reason why it couldn't be introduced at a low rate, less than one cent per tonne kilometre, and then, you know, gradually increase it as EVs take over the fleet.