So what I wonder here is having that lens of experience across institutions, how are you leveraging that perspective and your position and experience to foster further entrepreneurial thinking? Is it an organizational structure that you're pushing on? Is it a practice? What is it that's happening at ASU that sort of Chris Howard puts his handprints on to help shape this entrepreneurial and innovative idea?

It's really neat because at this point, it's sort of finding a place where you can be the best version of you, which includes for me, innovation and entrepreneurial sort of thinking and approach.

So, you know, as Michael designed this place, Michael Crow designed this place going back 23 so odd years.

I think the precepts that he laid out, what we call our nine design aspirations, what we call our charter aspirations.

have paved the way at this point.

So it attracts a lot of people like me.

I'm not unique in the sense that there are other people, really eclectic backgrounds that come and a lot of people are more traditional backgrounds.

And so what I'm wondering is, how might a leader, in short order, given the pressures that are upon us, start to increase its institutional capacities for innovation, entrepreneurship, contextual design, and to do so really intentionally in the current environment? Do you have any thoughts on that?