Yeah, g- good points, Chris, and, um, uh, kind of shifting strategy, you know, into that privilege-centric approach, uh, for your identities, what, what would that look like in practice for a practitioner beyond the traditional, you know, privileged access management capabilities?

capabilities?No, that, you know, it, it's a great question, and I think traditionally, um, one of the biggest, uh, uh, blankets that, uh, definitions that people have, and, and it, it's a, it's a persona.

People typically go back to the days of vaulting, right? Privileged access management is simply credential vaulting and password rotations- Yeah ...

and, and whatnot.

And it...

I, I always try to at least educate, um, audiences, uh, because I do a lot of public speaking.

Um, Gardner defined the PAM space back in 2018.

Yeah.