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Like, "Stop it." Like, "No, that is a terrible decision, and here's why." And, and he's, and every ...

And I'll go pray about it and I'm like, "Yeah, he was right again." You know? And I'll sh- I'll talk to my wife, I'm like, "Becca, here's what Buck's told me again." She's like, "Well, I believe you better listen to him." I'm like, "You're r- I know you're right, but it's not gonna be easy." So I just think having those relationships, but you gotta look for them.

You got, they're not just gonna fall in your lap.

Sometimes they, they may, but look for the fruit of the spirit in the man's life that you would want speaking into you, and then actually reach out to him.

I mean, not a text message.

I mean, actually have a conversation.

Mm

Yeah.

And I really got interested at that point.

Does it behave like ceramic?And I said to them, "Can we make a case out of that?" And they said, "You, you wouldn't be able to because it's very brittle.

It's a very porous material as it is, but it glows like it's really magical." So then we set our apprentices off to actually work on it as part of the apprentice challenge to see if we can work that into a case material.

They've come up over time with the first really homogenous, fully blended white ceramic and Super-LumiNova composite that is a pure ceramic material, and is not actually some kind of coating-

Yeah.

You, you have a much more inclusive, uh, um, crew set up when you already look at Polaris Dawn, Inspiration4.

They're all, like, you know, equally, uh, men, women crews that are, are civilian scientist researchers.