So for the people that maybe don't understand or don't know, what's that logo on LinkedIn really mean? What is an MVP and what do you have to do to keep being an MVP? Well,

so the easy answer first is, what do you have to do? I don't know.

And I'll expand on that in just a bit.

So what is the MVP program? The MVP program is essentially, it's an award that Microsoft gives out to about 5,000 or so folks every year that they deem to be the most valued professionals in the industry.

The program has been around for a long time.

I want to say probably, well, more than 20 years at this point.

I have a close friend who's actually a 20-year MVP.

Man, what's your origin story? How did you get into the IT and the security side? Were you always going to be like, I'm an IT guy, or were you going to be a history major, and then somehow you ended up here?