What do people misunderstand about that process and what it feels like?

Well, what the stages of change are is basically how we gauge the metric of where somebody might be at in their journey, particularly with addiction.

So the first is pre-contemplative, meaning they're not ready.

Like when I was back then, there's nothing you could have said to me that would have changed my mind at that point, even though I was losing everything at the time.

And then there's contemplative, meaning that you've realized there's a problem.

don't really know what to do with that problem, but you see that there is one.

And then there comes preparation where you start to think, okay, I need to do something about this and this is where I'm going to start putting things into place.

Okay, and Chris, finally to you, what do you think the next mayor of Oshawa needs to really focus on to address this? How much time do we got? I