And what is it that you love so much about the stage? Because that is essentially your background, right? Before we know you and the broader public knew you as Roddy Ho, you were very successful on the stage.

It's so funny.

A lot of people say that, like, I haven't seen you on stage for a long time.

But I don't actually, I don't feel like I have that, an extensive range of stage credits.

My wife is a performer as well.

And she's, you know, she's done everything under the sun on stage.

But I did start in musicals here.

Now, tell me about auditioning for Slow Horses and in particular, like we've spent a bit of time talking about your fitness, but how you went for that role and you thought, am I going to be too buff to play Roddy Ho?

How has your view over there evolved, especially when it comes to sports? Uh, do you think that still there's a space in sports beyond just sponsorship?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I, I think that's a very good question, and my partners and I, we, we've spent a lot of time thinking about, um, having spent a significant period of my career within blockchain, understanding like what feels portable i- into the attention economy.

And, and I think there's sort of three things that really jump out to me that are still very relevant today.

I, I think the first is the payment technology, so stablecoins a- and the railing around it.

We've invested in startups that 95% of the IT stack is completely traditional mechanisms, but because they allow the usage of stablecoins, but when we talk about the direct athlete to fan connection, like that solves a lot of problems, where if you're some-- a famous superstar in, in the US, but you have fans in Vietnam or i- in the Philippines, a- and you wanna sell directly to them, before it was actually quite a complicated process, and it might take...

A trend that's emerging or one that, uh, that you see is not quite at the forefront right now but will be in a couple of years.

And what is it that you love so much about the stage? Because that is essentially your background, right? Before we know you and the broader public knew you as Roddy Ho, you were very successful on the stage.

It's so funny.

A lot of people say that, like, I haven't seen you on stage for a long time.

But I don't actually, I don't feel like I have that, an extensive range of stage credits.

My wife is a performer as well.

And she's, you know, she's done everything under the sun on stage.

But I did start in musicals here.

Nat, tell me about auditioning for Slow Horses and in particular, like we've spent a bit of time talking about your fitness, but how you went for that role and you thought, am I going to be too buff to play Roddy Ho?

Really?

No relation at all.

Getting to high school, um, I definitely felt, you know, really isolated in many ways, something that I've only kind of come to understand as I've, I've lived in London and New York and, and around the world and seen how assimilated all the societies are there.

Um, but you know, I think our, my high school was 2,500 kids or so, and within my year level I, I think there was maybe five, four or five of us that were from an East Asian background.

So it was incredibly isolating.

And if, and we were all from different kinds of East Asian, um, diaspora.

So, like, we didn't have, like, a huge amount in common except for the fact that we definitely didn't fit, fit into the, uh, the cultural norm o- of the school.

What, what did your parents tell you throughout that time, and, and what did you tell them? How did they support you through that?