Yeah, tell us about some of the, the ch- the taxonomy challenges with identifying these animals as ... and, you know, differentiating which ones are species and which ones are not.

It's ...

Well, again, this is a, this is a, a, a gigantic conversation that takes into account what does a species mean, you know? There's so many definitions that everyone thinks the, about the biological species concept or, you know, the ...

But there's so many, and, um, you know, trying to understand what a species is, it, it, it's kind of open to interpretation, especially once you get in the tropics, because the tropics eliminate the climate, basically.

They, they ...

You have microclimate niches that, that animals fall into.

Like, do they like it humid and rainy, or do they like it just more humid and in a cloud forest? And so that, that makes things difficult.

Um, I kind of, in my little email to you, I kinda phrased it as ants versus plants, meaning, you know, where does... how does the toxicity start? How does it make its way up the food chain? You wanna just touch on that a little bit about the role that plants and [laughs] plants and ants have in creating toxicity? I know it's a bad rhyme, but...