And that ended up being such a powerful conversation at the last catalyst.

And I think.

Yes, and I think we have seen throughout the country, there are regions where a university has really taken up that mantle of being the convener, the catalyst, the instigator, whatever you want to describe.

Yes.

The disruptor.

But if you look at the research triangle in North Carolina, you can look in Utah and the activity there around those colleges.

And of course, Northwest Arkansas.

Yeah, I think,