Mm.

And I think that there was a lot of years of revealing myself to me.

And so through that journey and how I became of it is, we got in the corporate world, and there's certainly leadership, but there's a lot more boss than leadership.

And I think it's easy for us to mistake the role of boss as, or manager, instead of leader.

And when I left the corporate world, there's nobody telling you what to do.

There's no manager or boss telling you what to do.

You have to figure it out on your own.

So what role does consistency play in building trust both with others and with yourself? Camp out there a little bit about how you see trust in a leader's world.

where you're, was there a moment where you just said, hey, I got to step out of this desert? Was it, can you like look back on it, like right now and see that?

Yeah, I would say, you know, so like so many people ask, what's your turning point? I'll say to me, it's more turning points.

And right.

Like, so I don't, I don't think of it.

It's a journey and really just like running.

I'm sure just like being on a ship, as you said, underwater for like, there's parts where sometimes I'm sure it's great.

And then sometimes we go like, oh, this is just horrible.

Yeah.

So you were able to face the molestation and get through it.

Yeah.

Okay.

So I will say, I think it's like a two headed snake almost, right? Because the drugs and alcohol were their own separate darkness.

And then there was the molestation, pornography, the sex side of it.

And really about in my early 20s, It's funny because I look and I was a pretty innocent kid in my early and then I get into my teenage years and that's where I feel like I became less innocent and was much more about let's just do naughty things and be naughty and not be a great person.

And then about roughly getting out of high school, I gained much more of a consciousness of I got to be a better person.

That's the lie we believe.