Desire either.

Yeah.

I mean, I just want these to c- come out naturally, and then they do.

And, um, I think with, with the sculpture stuff, there's like, they're in, they're...

Because it's a mold-making process, they're...

From the jump, they're already really realistic, and then it's the painting that adds.

The painting and the adding of all the sauces and stuff that adds the sort of gestural, um, and really, like, disgusting, unctuous, edible quality to them.

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