So can you talk about that? And then can you talk about the actual forensic evidence?

Right.

Well, his attorney, Stephen Rosenfield, asked me to take a look at part of the pardon petition to see if I could find a way to strengthen it or to see if he's missed something in it.

And I told Steve at the beginning I felt like Jens was guilty based on everything I'd seen.

I know Governor Kaine had tried to send him back to Germany.

I was opposed to that because I felt like he was guilty.

He shouldn't have been given any special consideration just because he was a German.

But yet, here we go again.