Mm-hmm.

Uh, but through it all I was able to work with some great people in the art industry, some great art advisors.

Um, I went on to go work with some more art magazines.

Um, and it gave me an inside clue about, you know, the art world, the contemporary art market.

And, um, and I continued working with kids.

And, um, I had an opportunity to learn a lot about street art, so I began painting large scale murals.

And one of the reasons for why I loved murals so much, and large scale pieces, was because, um, of its transformative power of space, and it really makes me feel like art can change the world.

Do you have any advice for them about getting started?