It's very true.

For me, you know, as an organization and Aisha as well, and those of us that have lived experience, our organization focus on healing trauma because we understand that without healing, we cannot live healthy lives.

We can't be in healthy relationships.

We can't hold a job, for example.

I've been to other reentry organizations.

When I came home, I went to a reentry organization.

I pretty much knew what I wanted to do, even though I was dealing with trauma.

Are there other things that can be done that are sort of on the policy agenda?