You could see things that other people couldn't and how that was taken by the people around you.

Um, yeah, look, living a lie does sound harsh and that's kind of, I didn't want people to feel that I had been living a lie, but you're so right.

It was self-protection.

And because of my experiences as a kid and, and really being terrified of being told constantly that and being, you know, it was always reaffirmed daily when I went to a Catholic school that talking to spirit, talking about past lives, you know, talking about anything that was a little bit left field was basically setting me up for going to hell.

or my family being, you know, having the worst possible things happen to my family.

So it was self-protection because of that.

I mean, when I was four or five, I was a really happy-go-lucky kid.

I was not

And I guess when I was reading that, I was like, so many of us could resonate with that, whether or not we had a strict Catholic nun principal who was really cruel to us but all of us maybe through childhood have experienced that whole dimming our light just to try and fit in

yeah it's so common yeah I think I had to do a lot of work in a lot of different avenues but uh with forgiveness when it came to the nuns And I don't hold any resentment.

I did for a long time and it really, I could never quite explain why I had this real issue with religion.

And even when we first moved back to my hometown, I was adamant that my kids would not go to a Catholic school.

And I, that also didn't feel quite right because that was my upbringing.

So I had to do a lot of work on forgiving those things that happened and also seeing it from the sister's eyes and point of view as well.

I I just think that she was so frustrated by me.

Do you want to tell us a bit about that?