I guess a lot of us got started that way, you know.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Anything that, that crawled or moved, I wanted to see what it was.

Like I just, I loved everything.

And I went through these different phases where like birds were my favorite and dolphins are my favorite, you know, even though, you know, there's no dolphins in rural Pennsylvania, but you know, I think every kid goes through that, you know, I want to be a Marine biologist phase, but So I just loved all different animals and I'm not entirely sure why I gravitated towards reptiles specifically.

But yeah, that's what I just, I'd go to the library and I remember they had this big selection of nature's children books and they're like pretty like age four through 12, like reading level.

Yeah, exactly.