How would you define Cheryl?

Well, it's been a long, winding road [laughs] is how I would define it.

Um, not a direct route in my life, but a very interesting one.

And, um, just because of what your podcast is focused on as far as, you know, secrets of excellence and mindset, that is stuff that I've been interested in a very long time.

My degree is in psychology, and I actually went to graduate school for psychology.

Um, didn't ever make it through the full degree program, but do have some graduate training in that area, and just always really loved all things about the brain and, uh, creating habits and, and all that kinda good stuff.

So I think that's kind of one of the reasons that we probably connected really well.

Okay.