Can you walk us through the topic that you covered?

Yeah, I mean, John's, uh, point on graph database and sort of the adversarial mindset, I think is what's missing in a lot of people's approach to the problem is, interestingly enough, when we think about security, we're all usually thinking from a posture of defense and nothing bad ever happening and not allowing X to occur.

And in truth, that's not gonna...

That's not the way things work.

You're, you're always gonna be in a position where you have to be able to respond, and you have to understand how the adversaries are approaching things from their end because that's where you...

You know, in the military, we have a phrase, "We meet the enemy at the door," and that's what you're trying to do.

And so my pers- my, uh, contribution here was really to look at how would that be a- applicable in this particular context, especially in kind of the new era that we're falling into.

Can you unpack that a bit for us?

feel different?

It feels different just in the, I guess, like the level of kind of fuckery is really what's different for me.

Like you said earlier, we don't have to have any bounds in reality as long as we can slap AI something here.

And it's whatever.

And it wasn't like normally you find, you know, maybe maybe a dozen where that's like showed up here this time.

I mean, it was just everywhere.

And like you said, it was just kind of like people were like screaming into the clawed Ethernet, like, tell me how to be relevant.

It doesn't work together.