... not only this kind of music, but you have a classical background as well.

That's right.

That's kinda where I started.

I mean, I also had my love of music in high school form, you know, but I had played the, the string bass for, for all through, um, school growing up in Ann Arbor.

I went to Huron High School like Brian was saying.

And, um, yeah, we, I went to, um, the Eastman School of Music for a year thinking I was gonna play in an orchestra, and then I hated all the people that thought they were gonna play in an orchestra.

[laughs] Not everybody, but you know, the, all the great people, you know? Uh, but like sitting in a box and practicing three hours a day alone didn't suit me, so I came back and did my music degree at U of M, and that was much more connected to the community for me, so.

... outside of the country.