... that they had said nothing, nothing to declare, so clearly something to declare.

For sure.

For sure.

And so, um, it tells you, it tells you that obviously, yeah, that combination of information would indicate there is something in that box, and obviously that it was decided that it was best that the public not know that, what that is.

Um, and again, um, we cannot stress enough this is a body that is aimed at increasing the accountability and transparency in Australia's public square.

That's the, that's the whole reason for it to exist.

That, that was what decades of people were calling for when they wanted this body.

Yeah.

What do you think, what kind of skills actually will be the most valuable in this new cyber world, I mean, for companies?

Oh, that is a really good... that is a a really good conversation i think one of the most critical ones uh for me is around security architecture just generally i mean look let's actually take a step back number one i think that everyone should this is a great opportunity for security professionals right we all love to play we all love to build right and we all love to learn like that's in my mind every successful security professional that's what they want to do when we talk about retention Right.

There's a lot of organizations where I mean, yes, they want more pay.

Right.

But they also want good training.

Right.

They want to be able to attend training.

Can you summarize what are the most important conclusions there?

What is childhood actually for psychologically?

It's not a stupid question.

It's a really important one.

Just think about childbirth.

When we are born, our brains have to be immature you can't you can't pass a mature brain through the birth canal so we are born about three to six months before we should be born and that includes things like the folding of the cranium to get through the birth canal so we are the most immature species to be born that i can think of maybe marsupials will compete with us but not very much And therefore, we've got a long way to go before we reach full maturity.

If you think about a foal on the prairie just getting up and charging off with the herd almost immediately, we're not like that.

We take 20, 30 years to reach full intellectual maturity.

Can you briefly explain the importance of play?

It's not a Michelin-starred restaurant, though.

The food is decent enough.

It's not bad.

But they hosted for the first time a couple of weeks ago Senator Pauline Hanson, the leader of One Nation, which is quite, it's a funny thing.

You can never tell when you're a political journalist whether something is genuinely a big deal or it's only a big deal to people who have the same job as you.

But I do think probably that Pauline Hanson addressing that press club probably brought it more attention than it's gotten for a very long time.

And it is a sign.

I want to talk about something

What else has

pissed me off? Sorry, I've got a few things.

Qatar, just in general.

They were trying to, like, assault Switzerland last night.

Did you see that? Canada.

Yeah.

Canada.

And I'm thinking, oh, fuck, right, okay.

Charlie, it does seem that all the coalition had to do was say the words death tax and Albanese and Chalmers went wobbly at the knees.

Yeah, I mean, it is a bit of a... albanese government increasingly feels to me like you ever been in like a meeting room for far too long and you feel that the air is just starting to leak out and the energy is sort of draining away and your sense of possibility is going with it there's a bit of that to it isn't it there's a sense that um all hope for a kind of even as you say what with relatively modest changes um even that is apparently a little bit beyond them if someone says that they don't want it and i think also it's a real testament to is a real boon for any interest group if they can have their talking points the assumptions that they launch their argument with become the basis for the argument not a not not a um not something that's taken with a grain of salt not something that's introduced to the debate with an air of suspicion something that informs the very core of how these things are discussed i think the business council of australia have very very well achieved that as i have actually quite a few pressure groups now they think about it but um yeah so so they can they can launch a near um um identical report once a year asking for lower taxes and lower minimum wage and every single time it's reported as though this is a new insight and this is worth thinking about guys um so yeah another another tick in the box of the business council

accusing you of being

corrupt with Lockheed Martin and Art Valley's talk.

Yeah, I did not get my check, Dave.

So I'm a free agent again.

No, maybe that is worth clarifying for our viewers.

I didn't get a question because I'm not a member of the press club.

What did you make of it?

Yeah, and I have to say, I don't think I would recommend to my past self this as a first experience of the National Press Club.

I think I would have liked to have known my way around a little bit better.

You know, I heard from attendees there that it had never been quite like this prior in terms of the turnout.

It was, I think, more or less packed.

There was much more security.

The front entrance of the National Press Club's headquarters were kind of fenced off with temporary fencing and there was lots of security around.

Your final thoughts on the whole spectacle of it?

So tell us, who is Olivia Nuzzi, and why should we care about this story?

So Nuzzi is a long-time, quite high-profile American political journalist.

She, uh, she first came to prominence back in 2013 when she was 20 years old.

She was working as an intern for then New York mayoral candidate Anthony Weiner, who's later encountered many disgraces of his own.

And she wrote about her experiences, and that was kind of her sort of foot into the door of, of political journalism.

By 2017 when she was 24, she had become the Washington correspondent for New York Magazine, which is the role that she held for a long time after that.

So she's always had a bit of a sense of...

From a serious note, how damaging are these revelations to the Trump administration and the fact that she didn't declare any clear conflict of interest as a journalist, and there are allegations she continued to lie to her boss?