Well, it's too easy for us.

Yeah.

But it wasn't easy always, right? Um, and Build Australia is about, it's, it's about changing...

There's enough people focused on policy and the economic side of things.

I want Build Australia to help change Australia's culture to, to remem- so we remember how to win Um, and so we, we can have young Australians look at commercial activity, creativity and, and see it as something that they actually wanna do to take risks.

That cuts a lot of people out from manufacturing here in Australia.

Yeah.

Like, look at an iPhone, right? Made out of aluminum, right? We, we mine bauxite, but then the value chain between mining the bauxite and a $1,700 iPhone, the amount of value created in between those is potentially huge.

Yeah, yeah.

In fact, the opposite.

Um, and so the early...

There was o- obviously this is our first business doing ourselves, so there was a lot of operational challenges of finding, finding doctors, building the software.

We had to build all that from scratch.

Um, building the supply chain.

Um, and then I suppose the marketing part was like, "Oh, shit, we still have to do that.

Mm-hmm

Yeah, yeah.

In fact, the opposite.

Um, and so the early...

There was o- obviously, this is our first business doing ourselves, so there was a lot of operational challenges of finding, finding doctors, building the software.

We had to build all that from scratch.

Um, building the supply chain.

Um, and then I suppose the marketing part was like, "Oh, shit, we still have to do that.

I, I, I have them in two separate camps.

Was that new for you? Like, do you think that came because of you or was that always a part of what you were looking for? I think it's,

It's almost like the hierarchy of needs.

I think first you want to get your family in a good enough position financially.

I think everyone should be honest and open about that.

I certainly am.

Then now that you've earned the right to do anything, what are the important things? Full respect to B2B SaaS, but I'm not going to go and do a B2B SaaS, right? That's not going to get me out of bed.

So I was on this journey of thinking like, what are the things that are concerning me? I sort of, I've had kids now.

So my final question for you, Charlie, uh, what's something you've changed your mind about?