Was that the pinnacle point when you went?

Yeah, I think it was.

I think it was that moment where I was like, I really have to make a decision here.

And when I first went into the show, I was only going in for a short amount of time.

And I remember saying to my mom, I don't think that this side of it's gonna, like, it's just not gonna serve me.

I don't think, I wouldn't have used those words, but you know, at 15, I probably was like, this is awful.

But no, I just remember saying like, I just don't want to have to deal with that.

Was that difficult for him because, and obviously all your kids, because obviously going through a public breakup and then seeing all this stuff being written about, was it a case of you both sat down and said, don't read anything?