W- um, what does productive struggle mean to you, Charles?

Well, it's, um, it's the journey between not knowing or having some semblance of knowing and that aha moment.

You know, the light bulb, the flash in the pan when the student is just lit up and so excited.

But I love, um, being a guide to those students and showing them along the path, helping, um, identify where we, where we may have messed up a little bit, uh, highlighting the successes.

Just that whole messy process of learning that we all go through whenever we do something new, right?

Charles first, do, do you, do you feel stability?

Well, um, I feel stable in my position right now.

Um, there are a lot of factors that mean that the educational environment are going to wane and wax, uh, as the years go on.