Charles Spencer, 9th Earl Spencer

So I don't know what your reaction is to that.

And I also did watch your Fresh Hell Substack video interview with Charles Spencer, who was Princess Diana's brother, and who's got this explosive book out about his view of the venality of her husband at the time, Prince Charles, now King Charles.

Well, I mean, the Prince Andrew story really is the gift that keeps on giving.

I mean, who would have thought that he would once again, like, you know, Rasputin sort of rise from his Sandringham retreat and now take this action against the police.

I mean, the only person who's currently in prison is you know, is Ghislaine Maxwell, you know, who was, of course, you know, Epstein's procurer.

So it's a deeply frustrating case that goes round and round, and I don't think that it's going to get anywhere with Andrew, actually.

But I was actually quite shocked by Charles Spencer, who's written this explosive book about his sister Diana and her apparently callous relationship with Prince Charles and his callous commentary according to Charles Spencer after she died.

I actually thought Charles...

His ex-girlfriend, meanwhile, Chelsea Davey, has come out and said she never thought of ever getting married or having children until she met her husband, who is not Harry.

King Charles doesn't seem to be taking Harry's calls anymore, and Meghan is coming out with so much expensive gifts for the holidays that are three times what the palace is selling.

To go into all of this, I have got my very special guest, my friend, the amazing Alison Boshoff.

Alison, thank you so much for being with me.

Whereas you and I both know that once you have kids, the children need to be the focus.

And the children just kind of seem to be add-on to their chaos, right? Also, the other thing that Harry always said was, I want my children to know their family and their grandfather.

But King Charles has yet to see these kids since they've been back.

Well, you say that and I'm not sure for sure that it hasn't happened, but you hear that it hasn't happened.

Harry's occasional displays of tantrums and swearing at the Beaufort Polo Club have embarrassed his father, Prince Charles.

He also has a quick temper that Harry's wilder streak is inherited from his mother's Spencer family genes.

There are some definite Spencer traits in him.

You've only got to look at that sandy hair of his where it comes and inherits straight from his uncle, Charles Spencer.

And he's got the same Spencer fiery temper.

He's on a short fuse most of the time, and if he's provoked by the sight of photographers or the paparazzi hanging around, he can fly off the handle.

As long as he's getting his own way, Harry's quite happy.

And Harry was fearless.

Another thing I'm loving lately is Swan Song.

This is by Charles Spencer, which is Princess Diana's brother And I listened to it.

I highly recommend listening to it.

He narrates it, and there's just this difference in being able to hear it from the person telling the story, who also has this beautiful narration voice 'cause he's British, of course, and also the inflections he has behind it, where you're like, "Oh, that's how he feels about that person," just based off of the way he, like, intonated that word, like whoa.

Um, have been reports in the last couple of weeks that, um- Friends in the Norfolk area have been inviting him round for, for dinner and for shooting parties.

The Earl and Countess of Leicester at, uh, at Holkham apparently had him round for dinner.

Um, and some of the, uh, the so-called Turnip Toffs, these, the sort of aristocratic farmers that live in Norfolk, um, have invited him to shooting parties and things.

So, you know, he's no longer sort of completely, um, persona non grata.

And, and really sort of...

Which I think he's always done, to be fair.

Um, obviously he's got his work with the Duchy of Cornwall, and that, that takes up a fair bit of his time, but I think he's getting out and about, as is, uh, Catherine, and they really are sort of, you know, use that cliche, keeping calm and carrying on while a, while there's been a lot of, um, froth a- around, uh, you know, Earl Spencer's book and, uh, Harry and Meghan coming back.

And I think they've just gone back to basics really or, or never left the basics of, of never r- never complain, never explain, the Queen's old adage, you know, and, and, and just, uh, getting on with it really.

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the snake that is their uncle, Charles Spencer, who has implied that King Charles may have had some gay dalliances.

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...who talks about literature has read them.

We, we do pontificate on them, and I've-- it's very rare for me to see when people do characterize her work, um, you know, including in a book published this week by Charles Spencer, that her work is never characterized very accurately.

So I have read lots of them, and I do-- and, and I mean, it, it's hard to, it's hard to extract the, the pleasure I get from them as a biographer, actually, because there is so much of her in them because of the way she wrote, because she'd effectively created kind of Freud's consulting room in her library with her lying on the sofa and the secretary writing everything down.

And Barbara, you know, not, not putting pen to paper or fingers to typewriter, but just speaking and endlessly returning to the, the traumas of her life and the difficulties of her life so that her heroines are always living some version of her story.

But there is a bleak quality and a sad quality to, to Raine's life because I think in a way she was the casualty of, of this training, even though the training brought all the things it was supposed to bring.

And that kind of trauma cascades down through the generations.

Of course, we're, we're all talking now about Charles Spencer's book, in which I presume, I believe you've read it, Raine features quite, you know, will feature quite heavily and, and presumably Barbara as well.

I mean, there's this sense in your own book about Barbara sort of interfering with or s- trying to interfere with Charles, Diana, that whole story.

Let's, let's begin with your latest memoir, On Duty with the Royals, was published just last month.

But it's been a very tumultuous end of summer for King Charles, with the s- surprise relocation of Prince Harry and Meghan Markle back to the UK, and then of course Earl Spencer's book about his sister, Princess Diana, Swan Song.

What are your thoughts about these two late summer earthquakes?

Well, you know, the, the royal saga is a moving story, and you can never really catch up with it.