Charles Petrie
Diplomat and former investment banker
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Sep 3, 2026
When the state disappears, who governs?
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Sara PantulianoHOST
What surprised you most about how movements operate? Did common challenges, common patterns emerge? I mean, the very different political contexts that they're working within.

Charles PetrieGUEST
I mean, just in the discussions we've had so far, I think what we see is a spectrum going from your initial question, which is, you know, when you have conflict, you know, the...

Charles PetrieGUEST
the implosion or the, you know, contesting the state, how do, how do movements come together? You know, I, I think what, what I found very interesting over the course of actually the last few years is, is sort of at this early stage of conflict where communities are faced with with imploding structures, let's say, or disappearing structures, is how communities have been able to come together.

Charles PetrieGUEST
I think what we're seeing, and that's what came out in the different discussions, is that there's a new ecosystem.

Charles PetrieGUEST
And it's an ecosystem of activists, a new generation of activists who are very much interlinked.
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Sara PantulianoHOST
So how can international partners move towards genuinely supporting communities' own efforts to build safety, dignity, you know, to basically sort of, without undermining their nature, what does an appropriate model of support look like?