Yeah.

So those are the kind of the influences.

Ray that hired me with this very practical, pragmatic.

He came out of the era where you don't waste any materials, you design for material sake.

And then these, I guess, starchitects, they had these bigger ideas about how you could serve community and do better.

And LEED had just launched.

It was a brand-new system.

And so what does that actually look like in your practice? Like, what does your practice do differently than other practices that's an example? Can you actually show us an example as well, talk about an example?