Have you seen the benefits of holding these two things at the same time? And what, what impact has it made on your own life to, to be making these, these different decisions intentionally?

Absolutely.

So we ta- you talked about the pillars bumping up one a- against one another.

I do not belie- I believe they're completely holistic, that you actually don't have one without the other.

And so the thing, the main thing that I benefit from in joining Bari Nation was the mindset.

And I am very clear that if...

And we're talking about that mindset, that meaning we could make about how we aren't just, uh, tossed to and fro in this world.

And so one of the ways that I think about how to choose what movement to do is to actually think about what you want to sense in your body and get creative and investigate what are the movement forms, the modalities that are going to give you those direct sensations.