Um, I mean, there, there must have been days, so many days, as you say, you've talked about this, um, so many of those days where you thought maybe this day would never come.

Absolutely.

It's 33 years, almost to the month, when it first started off, uh, officially with the police.

And like I say, that's a, that's a long time for negative kind of reactions, never really making any progress.

And that's why today, going into the court, initially, it was, uh, you know, maybe he'll only come out with a single figure, um, sentence.

But, uh, overall, I think when, when it all transpired, we just really have to be happy and thankful for all the people that helped us get there, and particularly for the girls who came forward after the Second Captains, uh, podcast, uh, the one that really made a, a, a big difference.

And to all the ladies that were brave enough to come forward and talk about what happened at the hands of this demon, really appreciate them.

They didn't initially in the early '90s, and they still haven't today, but who were abused by George Gibney and would've been following this and, and how much of a victory today is and how they should be celebrated as well.

Were you following the trial, I presume, as it progressed?

Oh, [laughs] that guy has never been out of my head since I was 10 years old.

So, was I following it? From the time that he was actually out, I, I didn't really have much hope in anything happening.

Um, over the years, so many people have been involved, politicians, um, all the different, uh, radio, TV, um, stations following him around the world.

You always felt that he'd be looking over his shoulder and just hoping that, you know, he'd be running from place to place.

Eventually, we hoped that, that he would only end up in Dublin and then in jail, but honestly, never really thought that it would actually happen.

When he got extradited, it was the first time where we actually really felt, "Oh my God, something will really happen this time around." And since then, it's just been a case of, w- what could actually happen this time? Because we were in court the last time, and for all different reasons, whether it was jud- on judicial review, it got, for, even though the law had changed at the time, it got thrown out, and we got no satisfaction.

Does it feel like the shadow has been in any way lifted?