So yes, I'm sure we

can give him a call.

But let me tell you about intelligence as a whole.

We talk intelligence roughly in terms of two major roles.

The one is intelligence, the other is counterintelligence.

Intelligence is to understand what risks are facing us as a country from a national security perspective.

So you would expect your national security to cover things such as monitoring foreigners that are in South Africa that may have drugs.

is

So what is the typical modus operandi of the syndicates who have financed these vehicles across the borders?

So the South African Insurance Crime Bureau is working hard with finance houses and insurance houses to try recover these vehicles, bring these vehicles back into the country.

And what we're finding is crime intelligence has been able to infiltrate a lot of these syndicates where they've got agents or informants who are placed with the intention of disrupting and dismantling these syndicates.

There's not a day that goes by where one of these vehicles isn't picked up at the border.

The exceptionally difficult part of the scam is the paperwork.

The paperwork has to be impeccable.

The highest risk, however, is when that vehicle crosses the border, because if you've got BMA officials or SAPS officials that haven't been compromised and who are doing their job, they're going to pick up on red flags, they're going to pick up on the demeanour of the person who's driving the vehicle who may not be able to answer to certain questions, and then they will dig deeper into the actual paperwork.

Now that he faces these additional severe charges near a land border in Messina, how does the state effectively then argue to keep a high net worth individual and politically connected detained when his legal team will likely claim his assets and establish local businesses make him not a flight risk?

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they have those secrets that they don't want to share because they don't want the product being available to other syndicates.

So they tend to keep it in-house, so they're not sharing that ability.

So they're keeping those chemists foreign, bringing them into South Africa.

Mandrax, very different.

We've got Zambian syndicates, Mozambican syndicates that have operated in South Africa for a very, very long time.

Yes.

I mean, I've asked the question more than once, that with all of this going on, who is in charge? Who is going after the criminals? With all of the fights within the police establishment, the accusations of seriously top cops being involved with criminal syndicates, who's going after the criminals?

So let's tie the two stories together that you mentioned.

General Shadrach Sabir as deputy commissioner responsible for crime detection had under his portfolio detective services around the country, crime intelligence around the country, and forensics around the country.

Now, out of those three, there's not one that is functioning correctly.

Detectives, we have a critical skill shortage.

forensics we have a massive backlog and crime intelligence has been hollowed out and is arguably the most important of those three components because it's crime intelligence that identifies syndicates infiltrates them disrupts them and dismantles them and when you have problems with the apex leadership like we've seen well then of course you're not going to have the kind of policing one would expect in a country that is riddled with crime

What does that mean? How can it be that a strip club is now being described in this way?

It's very simple.

I mean, I'm a little surprised to see that falling under security body.

Look, a lot falls on CIRA.

Before 2001, we had the Security Officers Board and an act that was introduced in 1987 that only looked after what we regard as traditional security, which is your guarding and your armed response.

Post-2001, with the introduction of the Private Security Industry Regulation Act, they added a lot more functions to be regulated by CIRA, locksmiths.

CCTV installations, alarm installations, people make use of drones for security purposes.

Even myself as a private investigator, my firm, as well as all my team members have to be registered with CIRA.

So it does seem quite a stretch when it comes to election observers.

That would suggest somebody in Syria is worried.

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... and did I had a teacher.

When I came up with it, I didn't have a teacher.

It was more of a...

Well, I did have a teacher, but it wasn't as a teacher like we think of.

It was more of a spiritual guide, some sort of teaching along those lines.

It wasn't a person teaching me.

... your story.

What do we know about why Russia is adopting this strategy and, and I suppose what its aims are?

Part of it, I think, is to undermine simply the support in Western societies for Ukraine.

If you sow, uh, political confusion, or if you're able to influence who gets elected in a particular society, if we think about what happened with Romania, where Russia was behind someone who was a far-right candidate for the Romanian presidency and, and ultimately that person had advanced to the second round of the presidential election, that, of course, as you know, was stopped by the Romanian Constitutional Court.

But those sorts of efforts, you could actually change then the direction of a country, but at the very least you sow confusion, disillusionment within society of, uh, further support for Ukraine.

And what, what we definitely see is that those countries that are openly vocally supportive of Ukraine, that is where you see, uh, more of this hybrid warfare and, and sort of these social media attacks and so on.

When we're looking at the level of incidents that are happening at the moment that are being either linked to Russia or suspected of being connected to Russia as well, are there signals that these are increasing? Is it moving towards a more serious conflict with Russia? I mean, does this point us in the direction of an escalation?

Well, certainly some of the countries on the eastern border of NATO would say that the, the incidents have been increasing, and they're concerned about the fact that there's going to be more hybrid warfare.

They're concerned about this potential false flag and what that could bring about.

Is that a common thing in South Africa that police get drawn into, presumably for financial incentives, to the battles that go on for lucrative things like the drug trade, cash in transit heists and so on?

Good afternoon, John, and to the listeners.

Yeah, it's a common thing in South Africa, but it's also a common thing worldwide.

One must remember that in the 1970s, New York police departments had one of the worst reputations in the world.

And New York City as a whole was...

in an unimaginable state compared to where it is today.

And it took one brave cop to stand up.

With that as context, how difficult is it for a body like iPad to actually dig into what may be a set of much more complicated facts?

How do they trace the goods they confiscate? I mean, are they following money through bank accounts to do this?

Hi, Steven, and good evening to the listeners.

Yeah, there's, there's, there's many ways that they can, they can track assets.

We're finding that criminals have got clever over the years.

They hide assets in special proxies, in special purpose vehicles, in trusts.

But as clever as they've become, so have the resources that state law enforcement use to track these assets.

There has to be a trail.

That's the first thing you see, and sometimes for a long time, the only thing you see.

How do they trace the goods they confiscate? I mean, are they following money through bank accounts to do this?

Hi, Stephen, and good evening to the listeners.

Yeah, there's many ways that they can track assets.

We're finding that criminals have got cleverer over the years.

They hide assets in special proxies, in special purpose vehicles, in trusts.

But as clever as they've become, so have the resources that state law enforcement use to track these assets.

There has to be a trail.

It should.

So it does make a completely credible above-board investigation, whatever it finds, there are going to be suspicions about the finding.

again you're 100 right one of the concerns expressed by the attorneys about two weeks prior to um the the the last of the midlander documents arriving remember they got midlander documents on the thursday and then again on the saturday and he was set to appear on the wednesday this week so they had a lot of preparation he was actually coming from his attorneys when the shooting incident occurred and one of the issues that had been raised was his safety after those WhatsApp messages had been released between him and several, what we could call controversial characters, both in the private sector as well as in the political space.

And a question was posed to him, what is he going to do about his threat assessments? And he said, well, the threat assessment is the responsibility of his boss.

And his boss is General Kumalo, the National Head of Crime Intelligence.

And it's well publicized that Khan and Kumalo sit on opposite ends of of two factions.

So it's damning in that he doesn't even have protection at this point in time at the Moorpark Hospital, and private security had to be arranged to look after him.

This is still a whole general from the police.

There are obviously people who do not want testimonies to be heard and followed up on and are prepared to shoot and to kill in order to get that right.

The other is I would have thought that given he hasn't been convicted of anything, when he appeared, for example, on charges in court, would that have meant he forfeited rights to any kind of security from the people who employ him?

So he hasn't been suspended.

He's still an active member of crime intelligence.

He's still a general within crime intelligence.

In fact, I think he's the second in command of crime intelligence throughout the country.

But being a major general doesn't necessarily afford protection.

They have to do what's known as a risk assessment.

I mean, is it possible to ask where would you start or is it different for every single crime of this kind?

When two elephants fight, the grass suffers, doesn't it? Now, do the complaints by top generals perhaps signal legitimate procedural concerns? Or is this an attempt to obstruct accountability, you think?

I think that there are hidden hands that are using our different law enforcement agencies to create factionalism so that they can push their narrative.

to enable them to fulfill whatever their nefarious agenda is.

We need to identify who it is in the background that's pulling the strings and causing this.

What was very interesting after the purported arrest that wasn't an arrest that had all these generals going to Brooklyn Police Station purportedly to be processed was that somebody came out and said, well, we received a call from the very top and it says we must rather leave this for now.

Who was it that made that call? Why was that call made? But more importantly, why did they have to have the drama of alerting the media to this purported arrest when an arrest is a final resort? These people are well-known.

You know where to find them.

IDAC

Could that be used against them in terms of the admissibility of evidence that they gather in this process?

So that's a very interesting question, and I'll tell you why.

There's already the question of how the device is of Kahn came to be in possession of the police.

Kahn's attorneys in the urgent application claims that there wasn't a search and seizure.

He was to be arrested.

They claimed that when they arrived at his property in Houten, they asked if they could search for drugs, bizarrely.

And they were granted permission.

These are probably people that are under the influence of the same power, but they don't know it themselves.

But what should we make of this, that we're seeing the prosecution of some and not necessarily the one at the top who disbanded this PKTT?

It'll be very interesting to find out what comes out of the regular NEC and NWC meetings that take place on a Monday at Lutuli House.

We know that Becky Knele is up for discussion and we know that Senzo Mkunu is up for discussion.

Both of them share something in common.

They're both very strong in KZN and the ANC has lost tremendously, especially since the arrival of MKP.

And that could be one of the reasons why we saw Senzo Mkunu kept in office and why we saw somebody like Bekic Tele go unpunished as such.

Senzo Mkunu should never be kept in office.

What then is the way forward? More so when the report talks of the politicization of appointments within the police ministry, because the ultimate losers are you and I.

But what should we make of this, that we're seeing the prosecution of some and not necessarily the one at the top who disbanded this PKTT?

It'll be very interesting to find out what comes out of the regular NEC and NWC meetings that take place on a Monday at Le Tully House.

We know that Becky Kniele is up for discussion and we know that Senzo Mkunu is up for discussion.

Both of them share something in common.

They're both very strong in KZN and the ANC has lost tremendously.

especially since the arrival of MKP.

And that could be one of the reasons why we saw Senzo Nkunu kept in office and why we saw somebody like Becky Kelego unpunished as such.

What then is the way forward? More so when the report talks of the politicization of appointments within the police ministry, because the ultimate losers are you and I.