What was that experience like and what led you to make that next step?

Yeah, yeah, I know.

It feels like a very drastic jump from, because yeah, you're like, a lot of people can be normies.

We would call them with the program in AA and NA.

And so for me, you know, I was a competitive skateboarder.

competed at California Amateur Skateboard League.

So I was a competitive skateboarder.

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