Once you care and listen and... anything can, you can do, you can do anything.

And I, and I think there's this, this...

It, it goes with listening, I think.

It goes with this idea of being just curious about people.

For what we do, especially in the residential or in the private home market, it's we're, we're not designing for us.

We're designing for someone else and what they get really, really excited about.

Um, i- so we're looking for designers who, who are curious about that.

And how have you brought that back? Is, is there anything that you've seen in other countries, um, that design-wise too, where you're like, "Oh, that, that's a really interesting shape or configuration or..." And, and applied it to future projects for yourself?