I doubt that

... that's what I always say when I give photographic talks is, like, never forget about the privilege that we have of just being in the bush.

Wildlife photography shouldn't be about the photographs.

It should be an excuse to be spending time in the bush.

We happen to get great images from that, bonus, but we should never let, um, a ruined image or a missed image, uh, dampen our, uh, presence in the bush and, and, and be a negative.

It's, so it's experiences first, photos second is, has always been my approach to, to photography.

Yeah, I, I do think that, you know, if I just think of some of my more recent experiences, uh, that I didn't capture on camera or even on my phone, um, uh, when it was the beginning of last year, we were watching a...

And I wonder if you could talk a little bit about the ways in which you've been so successful while also being able to ensure that you're not disturbing the animals around you, and even telling some, like, almost s- being seen as, like, a conservation storyteller, how are you telling those stories through the work that you're doing?