But you know what? You've got a right to be because you called this and it's played out how you said it would and how you wanted it to.

yeah so look uh... there's a lot of winners and losers from last night but i i i feel proud about our contribution look nobody thought that south carolina was winnable uh... we did release a documentary couple weeks ago called the closetocracy about lindsey graham and the point there wasn't his sexual behavior the point was the hypocrisy in the corruption And that's exactly the chickens that came home to roost both in the country and in South Carolina last night.

So that's a seat we picked up that no one believed we could.

In Michigan, I said that, you know, all the nonsense on cable news was ridiculous and that Abdul El-Sayed was going to win and win rather comfortably.

And that's exactly what happened.

But look, in that one, we released the Rebellion Pack ad, and it seems to have been incredibly popular.

And meanwhile, CNN discredited it entirely.

that's why I'm coming to you on that.

When you see this happening, so they take Senate, they take House, what would you like to see the left do now that they're going to have control of the next two years?

Yeah, so just real quick on what Bill said.

Look, there's nothing radical about populism.

We have like the populist plank on TYT.com, and all of those issues poll at over two-thirds of Americans.

And, Pat, as you and I have discussed before, there's issues like paid family leave.

You give moms 12 weeks off after they have a baby.

That polls at 84%.

What's your reaction to what Bill just said?

Why do you think he's done that if it's such a great ad?

Yeah, it's because he knows that the disingenuous people in Congress, uh, mainstream media are going to use it to attack them.

And, uh, the Democrats who actually work for Israel used it to attack them.

Uh, and so you had Elisa Slotkin and Josh Gottheimer and Debbie Wasserman Schultz, all the usual suspects come out there and go, Oh my God, we're so concerned about the ad.

Why would you even be concerned? It had nothing to do with them.

It's if you're concerned about rebellion pack, take it up with us.

This whole denounce game, like, The American people are onto it, yet the fools on cable news continue.

doing what he always does, blaming Israel for absolutely everything, including cost of living rising in Michigan, when everybody knows the main driver of that is the Iran war.

Your post alone has 7.1 million views on X, my team just told me.

Yeah, yeah.

And that's the tip of the iceberg.

So, you know, I've said to some folks in the past, like, if you know how online media and social media works, you can get a good bang for your buck.

And...

I think we just proved it.

And so there's a method to this madness.

right?

Would it not have been a lot more powerful and a lot fairer to him if you had revealed all this while he was still alive?

Yeah, so first of all, I appreciate your concern about our show, but don't you worry about a thing.

At 6 o'clock Eastern, Monday through Friday, you could always catch The Young Turks right here on YouTube or on TYT.com.

Okay, and I will both be on.

Now, in terms of this documentary, Look, first, let me give you the background that partially answers your question, and then let's talk about what we were supposed to do.

So Swamp Watch producer Young Turks is distributing it, and they started working on it in December.

And in July, Lindsey Graham died.

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They empowered the Nazis and they worked with the Nazis to attack the British in Palestine to drive them out.

And so this strain of fascism escaped from Europe, came to the Middle East.

And by the way, they've and Katie Halper was on our show yesterday, another great heroic Jewish American fighting back.

against Zionism.

And she told me a story I didn't know.

So I knew only recently, again, I'm reading this and I'm like, how come none of this was ever taught? This is all verified, right? So the Zionists hated the Holocaust survivors.

they don't expect much to change even if Eisenhower becomes prime minister.

can't you be pro-israel but be anti-israel israeli government anti-netanyahu of course of

course 63 of jewish americans are that way right they don't hate israel i don't hate like I hate what Israel's doing, right? Israeli government.

The Israeli government.

Although, look, we get into sensitive conversations, but the Israeli people have to turn around, right? But we can leave that aside for now.

But the government's clearly doing something very, very wrong, right? But that doesn't mean that Israel can't exist, that Israel shouldn't be an independent and safe state.

What's the right solution? It's obvious.

israel palestine both exist both are safe both are independent both are real countries with militaries and they control their own borders etc and what do we get when we say can we just get equality we would just love equality period that would be amazing right they go no uh the palestinians can't be trusted if they have a real government with a real military they'll kill all the jews that's because you're racist and you keeps it that's like the blood we have for the slaves because they'll kill all the masters the call the white people so we're gonna free them i'm never gonna free them because they're the races no you're the racist right you're the one keeping the palestinians under your boot the you're not under their boot and and they are why justified i justified because uh... because palestinians are terrorists and and and if we give them their freedom they'll kill us all because they're savages No, you don't sound normal.

that too

There's

no question about it.

And look, guys, every day gets to a point where people can't take it anymore.

So when they say, I'm free Palestine, right? They jumped the shark, and everybody knows they jumped the shark on Macklemore and Free Palestine.

They're like, that's anti-Semitic.

How could the freedom of other people offend you? And if the freedom of others offends you, then fuck you, okay? The problem isn't with those people.

The problem is with you.

It's not over until Bibi says it.

It's not as easy to pigeonhole people, is it, as it used to be.

Yeah, absolutely.

And, uh, I, I was amused at that conversation you guys were just having about the most important rule in international order is the sovereignty, uh, of a nation state.

I'm sure that Lebanon and Iran, let alone Gaza, would like to hear about that because Israel violates that more than anyone at all times.

And instead of stopping them, as, uh, you know, your guest is saying here, what we've done is encourage them, enable their fascism, and that's why we have endless wars in the Middle East.

So, uh, the left and the right are uniting around this idea of why are we fighting endless wars? Why are we fighting other people's wars? Why did we spend eight trillion dollars fighting all of Israel's neighbors? And the answer is simple.

Uh, actually, George H.W. Bush was right.

Cenk?

And his, his interests therefore do not align with American interests or the wider global interests in this.

Yeah.

So let's break down the different perspectives.

So from an American perspective, uh, we were told that this war was about, uh, preventing Iran from having a nuclear weapon.

Now, that's inconvenient because it's an obvious lie.

Why is it an obvious lie? Our intelligence community already told us before the war that they do not have a nuclear weapons program at all.

Tulsi Gabbard said that in Congress.

So yeah, we are a small geographic country, but we're a powerful democracy in a region with no other democracies, and we're facing a constant threat from people attacking us, and we have to defend ourselves." And the, uh, October the 7th was a manifestation of all of this on a grotesque, gargantuan scale that required a gargantuan response.

you know the best friend's name?

So you'll have to look it up.

But he was Norwegian.

And he organized the Oslo Accords.

And he got $10 million from Epstein in his will.

And so I think it was probably fake, but you could, hey, argue they didn't accord Yitzhak Rabin did a offer that was real enough that it got him murdered by an Israeli terrorist.

Okay, I'll give him a half on that one, okay? But Ehud Omer offered a real peace deal in 2008.

Well, last time we spoke about the kites, it got really emotional.

But were you growing up middle class in America? 'Cause you had money and the family had money, right? And-

Yeah, no, no.

So that's a good question.

So, um, my dad's side of the family was, uh, dirt poor.

He was born into a house with no electricity, classic immigrant story.

It, like, they didn't have a refrigerator.

They had to make their food fresh every day, right? And so he had nothing on top of nothing.

Is there anywhere in your righteous indignation there an answer I didn't see to your assessment of the state of the American left at the moment?

Cenk?

Yeah, you know, I was wondering, uh, what, uh, Ishay was gonna say because I partly de- decided to do this 'cause I haven't done a debate on Israel in a while, and I-- because there's nothing left to debate, right? So I was kinda curious what their new talking points are.

So the new talking point is we had to liberate the Palestinians from their lives, uh, and we had to murder them because we're liberating them.

Oh, wow.

And we had to murder the Iranians because we're liberating them.

We had to murder the Lebanese 'cause we're liberating them.

And trust me, I'm an Israeli, and Arabs tell me all the time how much they love us, and they can't wait for us, uh, to liberate them from their families and their lives and their property and their land.

I'm against it.

There's this, like, propaganda about, "Oh my God, Sharia law's about to take over." That's why I was k- joking around about it.

Like, it's like, I don't know if there's three Muslims in Oklahoma, right? [laughs] Like, what are we taking over?

From the prophet's mouth.

No one knows that here in America.

Okay, so but what they know is the propaganda.

So my question is where...

Because since that propaganda is so absurd, like the idea that Muslims are gonna take over Texas, right? Where is it coming from?

If you would unpack this for me, what isn't Biden willing to fight for and why?

This is why the mainstream media hates me, because I say things that are obviously true.

So $15 minimum wage, Joe Biden has never meant it, doesn't mean it today.

And the traditional media looks at and goes, no, he said it, so it must be true.

I believe all politicians like a sucker.

So how do I know that he doesn't mean it? Well, they had a vote on it.

It's a vote that, honestly, we at the Young Turks forced.

I do want to ask you though, Cenk, do you see an extremist GOP as a boom for the Democrats as centrist voters seem to be turned off by not only Trump, but a party that embraces scumbags like Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene?

Without wasting any more time, Cenk, thank you so much for coming.

Uh, thanks for having me.

So I'll start with that, actually.

I appreciate Oxford Speaks having me speak, uh, despite the fact that I, uh, can't join you on free British soil.

Uh, I wish I could, uh, but obviously not only have they taken my freedom away, but they've taken your freedom away, uh, and that soil is less free today than it was before we were banned.

So, uh, and I wanna be clear, I don't come as the accused, I come as the accuser.

So all of these so-called controversies are manufactured by the people in the establishment, uh, that don't want the powerless to have a voice.

And finally, considering everything that we've talked about so far, the problems of the, uh, United States and its government, where do you see the trajectory, um, under the Trump administration and beyond?

But is that a genuine concern? Do you worry that we could see a direct war or an indirect war between Israel and Turkey?

So I'm concerned because the Israelis are out of control.

And this is actually just a symbolic of how out of control they are.

So I'm more worried about the state of mind that the Israeli government and unfortunately the Israeli population is in and all the – ramifications and consequences of that as opposed to the actual potential war between israel and turkey but think about how crazy you have to be this threatened a nato ally with war when you're a country of nine million people and your main ally is the largest army in nato and the people you're threatening is the second largest army in nato right like it's so beyond the pale and and then think about this like You know, they made up these lies about how Iran is trying to take over the Middle East and destroy Israel and kill everyone inside.

And, you know, that's unfortunately they've done so much of that propaganda throughout our lives.

And the number one victim of it is Jewish Americans.

That a lot of people might, if they're Jewish Americans or they're in the establishment, they might believe that kind of lunatic talk about how Iran is going to kill everyone inside Israel.

But meanwhile, what's the state of affairs domestically in the U.S.?

How significant is this Supreme Court ruling, and why is it so important?

Yeah.

First of all, it shouldn't have been an issue in the first place.

It's a clear-cut law, and there's no question aro- uh, about it.

So look, uh, there's a l- lot of great reasons, uh, why America is, in my opinion, the best.

And so, uh, it doesn't mean that America doesn't have any flaws.

Of course, every country has flaws, and, and we certainly have deep flaws.

Mm-hmm

Maybe there's a sensitivity there about the way that things are communicated that you don't want to play into tropes because ultimately that may serve a negative purpose, even with the right aim, right?

Okay, so let's break all that down one by one.

First of all, my opinion is the majority opinion of British citizens.

So...

Yeah, 100%.

Are we going to ban all British citizens? Are they all out of bounds now because they have disagreed with the mighty Israel? But hey, Israel doesn't have any control, but you're not allowed to disagree with them.

Okay, just the irony is so thick you could barely wade through it.

What do you think?

Qu'est-ce que tu fais de ça? Oui.

Yeah, there's one small part that I agree with Ben on.

So when our leaders shake hands with terrorist leaders who slaughtered tens of thousands of civilians, like Benjamin Netanyahu, it is stomach-churning.

When our Congress gives him standing ovations when he's a genocidal maniac and probably the largest terrorist leader in the world, it is stomach-churning.

But that's Netanyahu, not anyone else.

They have a worse civilian kill ratio than Hamas or Hezbollah, and IDF has murdered a hundred times the civilians of Hamas and Hezbollah.

By any definition, they're a terrorist state.

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Um, Cenk Uygur, uh, I'm gonna start with the extraordinary words I never thought I'd use, which is probably the biggest cheerleader for Trump's deal is Cenk Uygur.

Yeah.

So listen, I, I didn't wanna go in the war in the first place.

I thought it was a bad idea.

You all know that, right? But our job right now is not to, uh, say, "Oh, Obama's deal was better." And we can have that discussion, but the most important thing is let's get out of the war.

Let's go towards peace.

So if, uh, Trump is going towards peace and towards American sovereignty, uh, I'm 100% in favor of it.

Uh, what do you, what do you make of this?

Is that a position that you hold as well?

Absolutely.

Now let's break down the absurdity further, right? So first of all, 63% of Jewish Americans are opposed to the current Israeli government.

Are they all anti-Semites? Are they going to get banned from Britain? This is insane.

Okay, now, when you say that all Jewish people are in favor of Israel's genocide, and hence, if you criticize Israel's genocide, you're against all Jewish people, you're greatly smearing Jewish people.

I could argue that the British government's position is anti-Semitic.

All Jewish people didn't vote for that.

Grainger, for the ones who get it done.

Do you, or do you think that?

Oh, yeah.

No, no. Is- Israel's supporters, uh, uh, do this, but, but look, y- y- if you get into a real conversation like this one, you could clarify the important nuances, right? So as we explained, the majority of Jews in America are against the Netanyahu government, so that's a fact that a lot of people don't know.

Then you get to another layer of it.

Uh, are there people who love Israel, including a lot of tho- those folks who don't currently, uh, agree with the Netanyahu government, who love Israel but don't mean any harm? Uh, and, and, and within...

Of course that group exists.

In fact, it's a very large group.

What do you think about that now? Do you think that was a healthy development?

So according to the report, it said you potentially pose a risk to the UK citizens.

So there are people in the UK watching this right now.

Boo, your public order has been disturbed.

No, it's absurd.

I was in the UK just last year and riots didn't break out, mayhem didn't break out.

But isn't that interesting? Israel doing a genocide is not a threat to the public order.

The British and the US government fund that genocide.

Could you tell us the remedy as to legal, possibly civil disobedience? What's the plan?

Do you, or do you think that?

Oh, yeah.

No, no. Is- Israel's supporters, uh, uh, do this, but, but look, y- y- if you get into a real conversation like this one, you could clarify the important nuances, right? So as we explained, the majority of Jews in America are against the Netanyahu government, so that's a fact that a lot of people don't know.

Then you get to another layer of it.

Uh, are there people who love Israel, including a lot of tho- those folks who don't currently, uh, agree with the Netanyahu government, who love Israel but don't mean any harm? Uh, and, and, and within...

Of course that group exists.

In fact, it's a very large group.

What do you think about that now? Do you think that was a healthy development?