Yes,

yes.

I am so passionate about that.

And it's one of the things over the last few years that I... have found really hard actually seeing so many organisations, speaking frankly, essentially be sold in a piece of tech or a platform that pertains to solve their skills-based challenge, spend a lot of money, roll that out.

and then actually nothing changes is often for a couple of reasons.

One is actually you need to do the proper linking between that technology and other technology that's in play and the infrastructure generally.

But secondly, it is because people aren't giving enough thought to the skills architecture and the skills framework and essentially the skills that are then needed within that organisation.

Any advice that you would give them?