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Celeste Laback
Rev. Dr. Celeste Lebak (referred to as "Celeste Laback" on the podcast) is an executive coach, chaplain, leadership consultant, and Level 3 Certified Internal Family Systems (IFS) practitioner, serving as Founder & Chief Unlearning Officer at the Restorative Justice Institute of Oklahoma.
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Aug 24, 2026
Internal Family Systems: Who Inside You Is Making The Decision?
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Erica LucasHOST
For someone hearing about this for the first time, can you explain the idea of having different parts within us?
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5:53Celeste LabackGUEST
us?Yeah, and before I do that, I just wanna say how, I wanna normalize your experience.
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5:57Celeste LabackGUEST
Like, I, I think that what has happened unfortunately in our culture is that our culture really promotes this construct of mono-minded thinking, which means if we inside of ourselves believe one thing and also believe the polar opposite of that thing, so I wanna go to the party, I don't wanna go to the party, [laughs] um, on the one hand, on the other hand.
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6:17Celeste LabackGUEST
We see that across all cultures and all languages, and actually, the interesting thing is you are not either the w- your right hand or your left, you're the one watching them.
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6:28Celeste LabackGUEST
But just more specifically, internal family systems is a, it's a model that was developed by Richard Sh- Schwartz that understands the human mind as really naturally, inherently multiple.
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21:50JadeMODERATOR
Separate the views we hold of ourselves from the true inner self, since it's easy to identify the characteristics that bring us the most reward.