I mean, can you think back, and this question may not go anywhere, but can you think of any, I don't know, one, two, three things that sort of popped up initially that got you thinking, okay, things are really shifting in this realm, or, hey, we need to start, you know, thinking about updating the BASC again?

Well, it's interesting because there's been a real growing emphasis on research and area of empathy and its impact on children's development and an increasing emphasis on resiliency and more emphasis on positive dimensions.

And we have always, from day one, when I wrote the original conceptualization plan, for the original BASC in 1987, one of the things that was in that was that it would contain measures of strengths.

Because my philosophy toward actually intervention has always been that it should be strength-based.

I had written a band published about that is in the early 90s about strength-based remediation.

And so it was just a philosophical bent that I had had all the way along.

through graduate school and into my early career.

that's going to be