So, so because you were so close to being able to see that, I'm just curious what you saw from a corporate level, how that has also influenced you and the way that you make decisions about where you are engaging in corporate or outside of corporate or alongside corporate.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I think, I mean, yeah, Being in tech, it's been a huge amount of change.

I mean, the business model, I mean, it's changed all of our lives and how we actually interact and work at the company level, at the individual level.

And from an organizational, so remember my COO hat on, you know, the whole... go-to-market change, the customer engagement change, the operating model change, the whole business model shifted from what was on-premise to cloud to subscription to the SaaS model, which meant lifecycle management as opposed to one sales event.

So it was a huge amount of change.

Maybe you can unpack it even a little bit more on the on the retirement piece, because it's really important.