Cathy, are, are the unions, a- as Pat put it, unfairly riding on the backs of teachers?

Hi there.

Uh, thanks for having me, Ciaran.

Um, as you mentioned, I'm in SIPTU's education sector, and SIPTU is one of a number of public sector unions that sits under the Irish Congress of the Trade Unions public sector group.

Uh, they're working together, um, and our members across the public sector just voted overwhelmingly in favor of taking this industrial action.

Um, I think that the other caller is, you know, uh, mistaken if he believes that our members don't care deeply.

So many of our members view their jobs as vocations, and that's why they give so much to the public service.

Can I ask, uh, Pat, Pat, before you come back, I, I'll come back to you in a moment, but Cathy, just 'cause you, you, since you brought it up, actually, can I ask about, say, other, other SIPTU members, whether working in public or private, say, on Wednesday, um, I, I mean, like, what, what, what, what, what, what, what's the advice to SIPTU members about, say, you know, crossing a picket? Pr- private sector workers working alongside people in the public sector, or even actually public sector workers, 'cause I know you posted about this, maybe scheduled to work from home or who might be tempted 'cause they automatically do to respond, say, in a teacher's case, to an email from a parent.