So what, what drew you towards those organizations whose mission's about serving communities rather than simply making profits? Is it just from your parents? And maybe how did you get into it?

Yes, it is a little bit of a funny story because we really just need to roll back the clock a little bit regarding that question because I can tell you plainly, I did not seek out a public service job.

[laughs] I, I didn't make that a, an objective on a piece of paper or anything like that.

But, um, I did spend most of my career in the Ministry of Agriculture.

I was raised on a farm.

I worked on the farm as a, a young kid, and we, we learned the value of work and, and getting things done and meeting, um, you know, the weather, uh, implications or meeting any of the, um, the goals that the farm presented.

And as I said, my family seemed to be, always be involved with these community organizations and to the point where, you know, sometimes the assistant ag rep would be on the farm, and there'd be this laneway conversation with my dad about some upcoming meeting for whichever commodity group he was involved with at the time.

And what was going through your mind as you locked those doors, and how did you keep people with you in a situation like that?